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There's only Xabi and Xavi (little bit more offensive) at moment who can direct a game from deep/central Midfield.
Sahin doesn't have the experience of Xabi or Xavi, yet.
But he has already delivered world-class performance in many games.

In 2 years (Sahin=25, Xabi=32, Xavi=34) Sahin will be best in his position and he'll dominate his position for many years to come.
You'll regret when you play against him and his new Club.

DIRTYHARRY escribió:Algo muy feo ha pasado con este chico y por eso Mou lo tiene entre ojos.
¿Qué es ese algo? Solo Mou, Sahin y el topo lo saben.

Y digo yo, ¿no será que es el topo?

una pena

Sahín se cansa

No entiende por qué no tiene una oportunidad Lleva más de 70 entrenamientos al mismo ritmo que sus compañerosNo 'traga' con la versión que defiende Mourinho, en la que dice que está en pretemporada

La aventura de Nuri Sahin en el Real Madrid no va por el camino que el jugador se había trazado cuando hace un año se empezó a fraguar su fichaje por el conjunto blanco. Todo lo contrario. El futbolista turco está viviendo una pesadilla en Madrid. No comprende el ostracismo al que Mourinho le está sometiendo y su moral está por los suelos.



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Durante el último mes, el sentimiento de que ha perdido la temporada estando en el Real Madrid ha ido in crescendo en el interior de Nuri Sahin, que semana tras semana, partido tras partido, se desespera un poquito más al ver la lista de convocados. Sahin, nombrado mejor jugador de la Bundesliga la temporada pasada, es un asiduo de la grada. Pero la cosa no mejora mucho cuando consigue colarse en el banquillo, porque ni calienta. Así las cosas, el turco es el único jugador de la plantilla que no ha jugado en todo 2012. Y está harto.

Sahin llegó lesionado de la rodilla al Real Madrid, pero al turco le molesta que aún cuelgue sobre él esta etiqueta para justificar su situación dentro del equipo. De hecho, hace casi cinco meses que el jugador tiene el alta médica y desde entonces no ha sufrido un solo problema.

No juega porque Mourinho no quiere. Y Sahin no entiende los motivos. La teoría de que sigue de pretemporada, después de cinco meses, no cuela. Sobre todo tras disputar 85 minutos con su selección la semana pasada y acumular ya más de 70 entrenamientos al mismo ritmo que sus compañeros. Nuri considera que merece alguna oportunidad más.

Sahin debutó con el Madrid el 6 de noviembre, ante Osasuna. Disputó 24 minutos después de llevar casi un mes entrenandose con el equipo y todo apuntaba a que estábamos ante su despegue. Pero aquel encuentro fue el primero... y casi el último.

Sahin no ha vuelto a jugar en Liga. Y no lo entiende. El medio no comprende cómo Mourinho no ha sido capaz de darle un solo minuto cuando el equipo tiene 10 puntos de ventaja sobre el Barcelona y salda con goleada más de la mitad de sus partidos.

Desde el día de su debut, el Real Madrid ha ganado seis partidos por más de tres goles. Pero Sahin no ha tenido la oportunidad ni de jugar los 10 minutos que, por ejemplo, tuvo el canterano Álvaro Morata el pasado domingo en el Bernabéu.

En la Champions, Sahin suma 180 minutos. Jugó los partidos ante el Dinamo de Zagreb y el Ajax una vez que el Madrid estaba clasificado como primero de grupo. El equipo goleó y el 5 jugó a favor de corriente, pero Mou vio una alarmante falta de ritmo en el mediocentro, que volvería a participar en la primera ronda de Copa ante la Ponferradina.

El turco jugó 72 minutos en la ida y 90 en el partido de vuelta, duelo en el que marcó un gol. Fue el pasado 20 de diciembre. El día de su último partido. Desde entonces han pasado 78 días.

Tuvo ofertas en enero
Nuri Sahin tuvo a finales del mes de enero, en el mercado de invierno, la oportunidad de dejar el Real Madrid. Fueron varios los equipos que pidieron su cesión. Pero, aconsejado por su entorno, el futbolista turco decidió seguir.

Ya vislumbraba nubarrones en el horizonte, pero las lesiones de Khedira y Lass le hicieron pensar que gozaría de alguna oportunidad. No fue así. Mourinho empezó a utilizar a Esteban Granero y Sahin siguió con su rutina. De la grada al banquillo y del banquillo a la grada.

Ahora acude cada día a Valdebebas sin, apenas, ilusión. Es el quinto centrocampista de la plantilla y su situación no tiene visos de cambiar. Está a años luz de Xabi, Khedira, Lass y Granero en la lista de preferencias de Mou, que nunca pidió el fichaje de Nuri.

Al técnico portugués le pusieron en bandeja la incorporación del turco y el entrenador luso se limitó a dar el OK. "Tenemos casi hecho a Sahin, el mediocentro del Borussia, que está haciendo una gran temporada. Por 10 millones es nuestro. ¿Te interesa?", le dijeron.

El luso dijo que sí, pero nunca fue una petición personal suya, como Coentrao, que por ejemplo sí lo fue. Por los vídeos del Borussia que repasó y tras una conversación que tuvo con él por teléfono, le pareció un futbolista interesante. Pero cuentan que cuando le vio por primera vez en el terreno de juego, se decepcionó. Mourinho vio en Sahin un futbolista sin musculatura, blando, muy tierno y aún más tímido. Le dio cinco partidos y le sentenció.

Just consider how Sahin feels now:

His trainer critizes him in open public via press, although Sahin did not even make a mistake.
After a long injury he waits to be integrated into the squad.
His national-trainer says, that Sahin is 100% fit. But Mourinho makes controversial statements about Sahin's national-team and indicates that Sahin's matches for Turkey don't really count for Mourinho. No disrespect to Mardid's other Midfield players, but players like Granero or Diarra (no matter how well they play) don't have the football-intelligence and the class which Nuri has.

He's now fit again for 4 months, and in 2012 he didn't even play a single minute.
I don't think, that there will be any loan-transfer to Valencia or another team.
A player who turns down transfer-offer from a giant like Bayern München doesn't get loaned to a second-rate Spanish team.
http://www.welt.de/sport/fussball/bunde ... nicht.html

If a Coentra costs 30 Million €, a Sahin would cost even more on open-market.
But he had a buy-out clause for the absolute Top-Teams (ManU, Real etc) for 10 Million €.
When Sahin signed that contract with Dortmund, Dortmund was in lower-level of Bundesliga fighting with serious financial-problems (debt).
It was not clear whether Dortmund can make a comeback to Bundesliga's top-ranks.
Watzke (Dortmund pre4sident) and Michael Zorc (Sports Director) said, that without the buy-out clause Nuri wouldn't have renewed his contract at Dortmund.

Years passed, and now Dortmund (with 4th highest stadium-attendance in Europe) is slowly recovering from nearly-bankrupty again and becoming a big team with several good players and talents.
Sahin had big impact last year making Dortmund Bundeliga-Champion.
It seems Dortmund will be Champion this year also.
Plus, Dortmund and Bayern made transfer-bidding for Germany's new shooting star Marco Reus (already called by Löw into national-team) who plays for Mönchengladbach, but comes from Dortmund Youth. Dortmund won the battle against Bayern for 17 Million €.

Sahin could've played Bundeliga and Champions-League with Dortmund this season.
He could've developed and gained more experience.
Instead Madrid treats him like shit.

In Summer Sahin will hopefully leave, and in next match you'll play against him he'll hopefully make Vendetta with you. You deserve it for trying to destroy his career.

mirrorside escribió:In Summer Sahin will hopefully leave, and in next match you'll play against him he'll hopefully make Vendetta with you. You deserve it for trying to destroy his career.

Forgive me lord for I have sin... That's bullshit man, do you think we hire players just to destroy their careers? What do you smoke? I want some.
Next season -or maybe by the end of the present season- Sahin will have the chance to prove if he is good enough for RM or not but right now we have no time for that, we have to go straight to the target. He came with a big injury, that's nobody's fault.

JotaGol escribió:Forgive me lord for I have sin... That's bullshit man, do you think we hire players just to destroy their careers? What do you smoke? I want some.
Next season -or maybe by the end of the present season- Sahin will have the chance to prove if he is good enough for RM or not but right now we have no time for that, we have to go straight to the target. He came with a big injury, that's nobody's fault.

All I see is Madrid damaging the reputation of Nuri Sahin.
"He doesn't train. He has psychological problems" and humiliation (24 in minutes Primera Division).

I don't smoke anything. I see the situation very clear.

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Nuri, once described by Arsène Wenger as "one of the world's biggest talents"

http://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/ ... 58761.html

World-class performances in Bundesliga.
And look where he is now, what you've done to him:

mirrorside escribió:

JotaGol escribió:Forgive me lord for I have sin... That's bullshit man, do you think we hire players just to destroy their careers? What do you smoke? I want some.
Next season -or maybe by the end of the present season- Sahin will have the chance to prove if he is good enough for RM or not but right now we have no time for that, we have to go straight to the target. He came with a big injury, that's nobody's fault.

All I see is Madrid damaging the reputation of Nuri Sahin.
"He doesn't train. He has psychological problems" and humiliation (24 in minutes Primera Division).

I don't smoke anything. I see the situation very clear.

OK man, you got us, we just wanted to make fun of the boy and make him suffer, that's what we do, we really don't care about la liga or champions league, we just want to see him crying like a little girl, as everybody knows Real Madrid history is builded on that.
Off topic: Where are you from?

mirrorside escribió:UEFA.com

Nuri, once described by Arsène Wenger as "one of the world's biggest talents"

Who is denying his talent? But reality is that he's not at his 100%, he started late and it's very hard to caught RM train if you are late. Next season he will have the chance to prove what we all want: that he's gonna be the great midfielder he is.

JotaGol escribió:But reality is that he's not at his 100%, he started late and it's very hard to caught RM train if you are late.

Where are Madrid's efforts to bring Nuri to his 100% ?
You let him rot on the bench and the trainer bashes him via press.

JotaGol escribió:Next season he will have the chance to prove what we all want: that he's gonna be the great midfielder he is.

Next season he'll hopefully play for a Champions-League team like Bayern and he'll kick you out of Champions-League if Barcelona didn't already do it.

Nuri Sahin could have gone anywhere and have been a star, but he chose Madrid.
Now Castila players like Morata challenge him for playing time, and Sahin has the least playing-time from all professional players of Madrid.
In 2012 ZERO minutes.

Sad.

mirrorside escribió:Nuri Sahin could have gone anywhere and have been a star, but he chose Madrid.
Now Castila players like Morata challenge him for playing time, and Sahin has the least playing-time from all professional players of Madrid.
In 2012 ZERO minutes.

Sad.

Sahin is going to be the best midfielder in Real Madrid next season, don´t worry. This season it´s imposible, why? because Real Madrid doesn´t wait, if you are injured 3 months then it´s very difficult to enter in Mou´s plans.
Sahin is not Kaka' or Higuaín, he is a new player in the team and he can´t adapt as quickly after an injury.

I bet mirrorside is Sahin's little brother, not only because he is obsessed, but for he seems to don't understand anything

Personalmente no tengo nada claro que Sahin el próximo año empezando de cero con todos pueda conseguir hacerse con un puesto, creo que nos faltan piezas para confeccionar el puzzle, hay algo que no me encaja, vale que no esté para 90 minutos pero 20-25-30 minutos debiera de poder jugarlos porque si no algo hay que no sabemos.

JotaGol escribió:I bet mirrorside is Sahin's little brother, not only because he is obsessed, but for he seems to don't understand anything

I'm not "Sahin's little brother".
I am a football enthusiast, and I am schocked to see what happens to Nuri Sahin and how he's treated.

Que lo cendan carajo que da una rabia verlo sin jugar un jodido minuto que no vean

mirrorside escribió:

JotaGol escribió:I bet mirrorside is Sahin's little brother, not only because he is obsessed, but for he seems to don't understand anything

I'm not "Sahin's little brother".
I am a football enthusiast, and I am schocked to see what happens to Nuri Sahin and how he's treated.

Man, do you know what irony is? ......

And I think that you're victimizing too much Sahin's case. There's little to no evidence to think that Mou is being unfair with Nuri, since Mou was the one who asked for him. Also there's the fact that Mou has been incredibly patient with Kaká, who wasnt even asked by him, and whom he could have ''fired'' from the team whenever he wanted since several months back.....

He's one of the best coaches in the world, he knows more of football than any person in this forum, I know that sometimes he'll be wrong, but now me and many other Madridistas don´t see that there's enough evidence to say that this is the case.

Ian Saint-Stark escribió:He's one of the best coaches in the world, he knows more of football than any person in this forum, I know that sometimes he'll be wrong, but now me and many other Madridistas don´t see that there's enough evidence to say that this is the case.

In football everything outside of green grass is just talk.
Fame and evidence is made on green grass.

Sahin not seeing green grass is evidence enough.
If Google translated Marca-article correctly, it says, that Sahin made over 70 training units and has been declared "healthy" by medical team for months.