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Intruder escribió:Kedira tiene mas madera en sus piernas

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Nuri Sahin scored 2 goals last year against Bayern München in 2 games in Bundesliga.

mirrorside escribió:Nuri Sahin scored 2 goals last year against Bayern München in 2 games in Bundesliga.

yes, but Mou wants to play with "his" holy cows till the end of the days!

necesitamos a Sahin, lamentablemente creo que ya no sera para esta temporada...

Yo la verdad es que hasta ahora me parecía una barbaridad poner en estos partidos a Sahín ya que, una vez que Mourinho tardó 3 meses en ponerlo a jugar, no tienen ningún tipo de físico y los rivales se lo comen....... pero una vez visto el partido contra el Bayern.... yo creo que llega a meterlo por Xabi Alonso en la 2ª mitad y aportaría bastante más que Alonso. Porque Xabi Alonso físicamente ahora mismo está para 45 minutos y, aun así, esos 45 minutos aguanta corriendo 20. El resto es Khedira subiendo y bajando como un animal en cada jugada.... que no me extraña que Khedira llegue al final del partido totalmente agotado, porque debe hacer una cantidad de Km brutal. En cada jugada sube unos 30 metros mientras Xabi Alonso mantiene la posición, y para defender, Khedira suele acabar más retrasado que Xabi Alonso.....

Yo creo que ahora mismo, XAbi Alonso está tan flojo físicamente que no creo que Sahín esté muy por debajo. Desde luego, que Granero no tenga muchos más minutos viendo como está Xabi Alonso ya es casi un insulto.

Yo lo pondria este sabado,el barcelona se encontraria con un tipo que la toca con sentido,estaria mas equilibrado el centro del campo,y se multiplicarian nuestros opciones,dicho esto seguro que tendremos que tragarnos otra pelicula de terror con khedira.

Granero sin ser nada del otro mundo deja en evidencia a Alonso y Khedira cada vez que sale.

Sahin's game.
Orange would be passing.
"Khedira / Diarra" just run and defensive.

mirrorside escribió:Sahin's game.
Orange would be passing.
"Khedira / Diarra" just run and defensive.

Please, explain it a bit better.
I would love to see Sahin playing against Barca..

Date: 20. April 2012.
Season 2011/12.

Sami Khedira
Total passes: 1479 passes
Passes incompleted: 220 passes
Playing time: 2.546 minutes
Steals: 177
Assists: 3
Goals: 3

= 1 pass per 1.7 minutes
= 14,87 % of all passes incompleted
= 85,13 % succesfull passes
= 1 steal per 14,38 minutes
= 1 Assist per 848 minutes
= 1 Goal per 848 minutes
http://www.realmadrid.com/cs/Satellite/ ... hedira.htm



Esteban Granero
Total passes: 635 passes
Passes incompleted: 73 passes
Playing time: 878 minutes
Steals: 66
Assists: 1
Goals: 0

= 1 pass per 1.38 minutes
= 11,49 % of all passes incompleted
= 88,51 % succesfull passes
= 1 steal per 13,30 minutes
= 1 Assist per 878 minutes
= 0 goals per 878 minutes
http://www.realmadrid.com/cs/Satellite/ ... ranero.htm


Xabi Alonso
Total passes: 3.616 passes
Passes incompleted: 478 passes
Playing time: 3.977 minutes
Steals: 378
Assists: 7
Goals: 1

= 1 pass per 1.09 minutes
= 13,21 % of all passes incompleted
= 86,79 % succesfull passes
= 1 steal per 10,52 minutes
= 1 Assist per 568 minutes
= 1 Goal per 3.977 minutes
http://www.realmadrid.com/cs/Satellite/ ... Alonso.htm


Nuri Sahin
Total passes: 587 passes
Passes incompleted: 74 passes
Playing time: 613 minutes
Steals: 58
Assists: 0 (didn't he make Assist to Callejon against Ponferradina? )
Goals: 1

= 1 pass per 1.04 minutes
= 12,60 % of all passes incompleted
= 87,40 % succesfull passes
= 1 Steal per 10,58 minutes
= 0 Assists (Ponferradina? 1 regular Assist to Callejon and 1 Assist the referee said was offside, but it wasn't).
= 1 Goal per 613 minutes
http://www.realmadrid.com/cs/Satellite/ ... /Sahin.htm


Sahin comes from injury.
Adapt to new club.
Adapt to new players in team.
Adapt to different system he played in Dortmund.

mirrorside escribió:Date: 20. April 2012.
Season 2011/12.

Sami Khedira
Total passes: 1479 passes
Passes incompleted: 220 passes
Playing time: 2.546 minutes
Steals: 177
Assists: 3
Goals: 3

= 1 pass per 1.7 minutes
= 14,87 % of all passes incompleted
= 85,13 % succesfull passes
= 1 steal per 14,38 minutes
= 1 Assist per 848 minutes
= 1 Goal per 848 minutes
http://www.realmadrid.com/cs/Satellite/ ... hedira.htm



Esteban Granero
Total passes: 635 passes
Passes incompleted: 73 passes
Playing time: 878 minutes
Steals: 66
Assists: 1
Goals: 0

= 1 pass per 1.38 minutes
= 11,49 % of all passes incompleted
= 88,51 % succesfull passes
= 1 steal per 13,30 minutes
= 1 Assist per 878 minutes
= 0 goals per 878 minutes
http://www.realmadrid.com/cs/Satellite/ ... ranero.htm


Xabi Alonso
Total passes: 3.616 passes
Passes incompleted: 478 passes
Playing time: 3.977 minutes
Steals: 378
Assists: 7
Goals: 1

= 1 pass per 1.09 minutes
= 13,21 % of all passes incompleted
= 86,79 % succesfull passes
= 1 steal per 10,52 minutes
= 1 Assist per 568 minutes
= 1 Goal per 3.977 minutes
http://www.realmadrid.com/cs/Satellite/ ... Alonso.htm


Nuri Sahin
Total passes: 587 passes
Passes incompleted: 74 passes
Playing time: 613 minutes
Steals: 58
Assists: 0 (didn't he make Assist to Callejon against Ponferradina? )

= 1 pass per 1.04 minutes
= 12,60 % of all passes incompleted
= 87,40 % succesfull passes
= 1 Steal per 10,58 minutes
= 0 Assists (Ponferradina? 1 regular Assist to Callejon and 1 Assist the referee said was offside, but it wasn't).
= 1 Goal per 613 minutes
http://www.realmadrid.com/cs/Satellite/ ... /Sahin.htm


Sahin comes from injury.
Adapt to new club.
Adapt to new players in team.
Adapt to different system he played in Dortmund.

- 100% Assist to Benzema against Nicosia, but Benzema couldn't make that ball
- Against Sociedad his corner which Varane headed, but was cleared by Sociedad-Player on goal line
- Shot at crossbar after freekick in his last game
- Assist(s) against Ponferradina

Needs to play more. The other players in Central Midfield play nothing which he can't play.
If he plays more regularily he will adapt better to Madrid's playing style and Madrid as a whole will get better.

mirrorside escribió:Sahin's game.
Orange would be passing.
"Khedira / Diarra" just run and defensive.

4-1-1-4


Solo te falto poner esto:

CARLOSSOY escribió:Yo lo pondria este sabado,el barcelona se encontraria con un tipo que la toca con sentido,estaria mas equilibrado el centro del campo,y se multiplicarian nuestros opciones,dicho esto seguro que tendremos que tragarnos otra pelicula de terror con khedira.

si Mou le diera minutos seguido este seria el titular si o si frente al barca pero lamentablemente piensa en otros antes q en este, entonces quiere decir que estamos jodidos.

benosteles escribió: 4-1-1-4


Solo te falto poner esto:

Not 4-1-1-4.
The other position were left blank intentionally to have more room for the drawings.

Some users put Sahin in position of right/left Midfield.
That's not really his position and he doesn't have the speed of Ronaldo.
He is Central Offensive Midfielder, who was reskilled by Beert van Marwijk to just Central-Midfield player with some defensive duties.

For everything else he is too slow.

lio89 escribió: Please, explain it a bit better.
I would love to see Sahin playing against Barca..

A lot of people have the opinion, that Coentrao is the defensive version and Marcelo the offensive version for left-side of defense.
In same analogy, Nuri Sahin is the "Marcelo"-version for Central-Midfield. But this kind of game only works, if there is a "Pepe" in DM, who will only participate in attacking when there's a corner (trying to make header goal).

Although Sahin is the offensive interpretation of a CM, he still is no "8".
I watched all matches of Madrid this season, and I think Granero is more the "8" type of player.

Look at Nicosia game.
I'm talking about minute 0:55.
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Sahin rarely moves that far (0:55 in video) into opponent's side or even into opponent's 16-meter area.
When the team is attacking, Sahin will play mostly in this red area. And from here he'll try to make his Assists or just make a pass to a player.
Sahin also doesn't run with the balls 30 meters like Özil, Ronaldo or Kaka do. Sahin only pass, corners, freekicks and sometimes shoot.
He plays a very simple game, but the ball is very secure on his feet (can use left and right) and can play the final pass. With the quality in-front of him (Benzema, Higuain, Ronaldo, Kaka) he can even make more Assists than he did in Dortmund (who is Lewandoski / Barrios ?).
In Dortmund the Central Defenders Subotic and Hummels mostly passed to Sahin when opening the game, so he can also come very deep to get the ball from Central Defenders.

Pirouette and make pass

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Nuri Sahin and Kevin Prince Boateng (now AC Milan).
Both when they played together in Dortmund, making tricks in game.

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Sahin también puede jugar delante del doble pivote pero eso mandaría a Ozil a la banda.Yo la verdad prefiero jugar en rombo con Sahin-Xabi de interiores y Ozil de mediapunta.

Solo nos falta conseguir un mediocampista defensivo de garantías y un lateral derecho que sepa subir por su banda.

benosteles escribió:Sahin también puede jugar delante del doble pivote pero eso mandaría a Ozil a la banda.Yo la verdad prefiero jugar en rombo con Sahin-Xabi de interiores y Ozil de mediapunta.

Solo nos falta conseguir un mediocampista defensivo de garantías y un lateral derecho que sepa subir por su banda.

Tomorrow is a big game probably against the strongest team in the world and the best player in his position.
Khedira/Alonso have already played Classicos.

Sahin didn't play any Classicos, it would surely be an excitement for him and he would try to show him to whole world which is watching that game.
Mourinho should throw him into cold water and put him into starting squad for Khedira or Alonso.