Frajamart escribió:
Yo admiro mucho lo que hace el dueño del Lyon, pero olvidemosnos de eso en el Real Madrid. Aulas tiene una obsesion (maravilosa) con el equipo y le cuesta mucho dinero de su bolsillo. Salvo partidos escepcionales al campo del Lyon suelen ir sobre los 1000 espectadores y los contratos televisivos en Francia tampoco son millonarios
Supongo que sera porque el femenino le da lo que no le da el masculino (Hace algunos años salio un chiste en un diario frances, de un jugador que iba a fichar por el equipo masculino, estaba en el medico y este le decia
-Asi que usted va a fichar por el Olympique de Lyon masculino. Pense que solo tenian equipo femenino)
Y Florentino no quiere nada que le cueste dinero y si ahora tenemos femenino es por el contrato con Adidas (que digamos se los sugiere)
Tambien creo que si inviertieran 4 o 5 millones un par de años no creo que un club como el Real Madrid tuviese dificultades de encontrar un patrocinador que financiase todo el presupuesto
Mira el Barcelona, lleva realmente apostando por el futfem 3 años y los ultimos dos con una marca que le da la totalidad del presupuesto
Cesar04 escribió:
A lo que discutí con Jaizkibel ayer, dejó claro que el Lyon actualmente no cuesta nada y sí es autosuficiente, genera todos los 8 millones, esto es OBVIO tras años de invertir lo indecente hasta lograr esos resultados. El Barcelona y Atleti lo mismo, su discurso es y será siempre: "somos lo que somos despues de mucho trabajo, inversión y perdidas", si queremos competir con las mejores tomando el camino de los pequeños nunca vamos a poder, se necesita por lo menos usar misma estrategia para poder crecer, sino nos vamos a quedar de por vida en un equipito de baja/media tabla hasta que todos nos hagamos viejos.
Frajamart:
No estoy de acuerdo en absoluto con lo que expones sobre las finanzas del Lyon. El Lyon es rentable, obtiene beneficios actualmente (ya lleva tiempo obteníendolos) y utiliza la estrategia que ha utilizado muchas veces el Real Madrid en sus años "mozos":
Fichar las mejores > Ganar títulos > Eso atrae afición y audiencia TV > Te llueven los patrocinadores y los contratos televisivos generan retornos y la UEFA te unta una pastón por ganar las competiciones europeas.
En el apartado "te llueven los patrocinadores" incluyo lo que apuntas sobre la situación del actual Barcelona femenino con su patrocinador (Stanley). Efectivamente, Stanley pone de su bolsillo todo el presupuesto del club catalán. Al Barcelona el equipo femenino le sale gratis.
Pero, claro, para que te salga un patrocinador así, tienes que tener un muy buen equipo y ganar cosas. Bueno, pues el Lyon femenino gana todo.
De la cadena France 24, publicado el pasado día 26 de mayo:
For Lyon boss, women's football has been a good investment
Women's football is a bet that's paying off for French club Lyon and their president Jean-Michel Aulas.
Lyon's women's team can win a fourth consecutive Champions League title when they face Barcelona in the final in Budapest on Saturday. As many as eight members of that team will be in the France squad in June and July when the country hosts the women's World Cup.
If they reach the late stages those players will be even more at home because the semi-finals and final will be played at Lyon's Groupama Stadium.
"We are in a virtuous circle with an audience that will come and watch," Aulas told AFP.
Aulas, an outspoken figure in French football for decades, said French women's football had benefitted from investment at first Montpellier and later Paris Saint-Germain, Bordeaux and Lyon, where his club took over a struggling women's team in the city in 2004.
"At a European level, we have probably provoked the desire in all the big clubs to be able to do the same thing, either by buying a club or by building a women's section integrated with the club.
"All four semi-finalists in the women's Champions League this season were major European clubs and the Lyon-Barcelona final is also testimony to Barca's determination to reach highest level."
He said that while the Olympique Lyonnais women's team was run by the club's amateur section, its budget had steadily grown and this season was between seven and eight million euros ($7.8m and $9million). Women players at the club still earn far less than the men.
"There is a big difference between the men and the women but the evolution has been considerable. In Lyon, salaries (for women players) are between 5,000 and 10,000 euros per month."
- 'Less aggression' -
However, among current OL players the FIFA women's player of the year Ada Hegerberg, Amandine Henry and Wendie Renard reportedly earn much more, as did former OL player, US international Alex Morgan.
"The best female players in the world can have salaries of up to 500,000 euros per year plus individual or collective image rights, as for Alex Morgan who had image contracts in the USA that could exceed one million dollars," Aulas said.
"The business almost breaks even and allows OL to win titles and also gain a considerable international reputation."
He said the crowds who come to watch Lyon's women's team were noticeably different from those who support the men's side.
"We have a slightly different and more family-friendly audience. There is less aggression," Aulas said. "Fans identify more with the national team even if at the OL we have managed to create our own fan groups."
He added that the different atmosphere reflected differences in the way the game was played.
"The ball is in play longer in a women's game.
"There is probably less play-acting and it's probably easier to referee."
He said the World Cup will inevitably accelerate the development of women's football in France.
"It has to. It's going to be an incredible success. Most of the stadiums are already guaranteed huge crowds."
- 'Planets aligned' -
He said that hosting the later stages in Lyon had paid off even though "it was a gamble at the time that we bid for the games."
"In Lyon, the semi-finals and final will be sold out. We have 17,000 American reservations out of 59,000 tickets on sale for each of our three matches. The TV stations have acquired the rights, which are more modest than for the men. We are in a virtuous circle with an audience that comes to matches."
He added that women's football in France is attracting advertising from some of the country's biggest companies who were "more oriented towards rugby, in particular, and are now turning to women's football".
And he made the bold prediction that "broadcasting revenues from advertising will be very similar to what they were for Euro 2016 or the World Cup."
Aulas said it would give French football a huge boost if Les Bleues could win as hosts.
"They have the capacity to do so. France's men are world champions. It would be historic to have women win in the same cycle.
"The planets are aligned for this national team and believe they can win the final."
https://www.france24.com/en/20190516-ly ... investment
Vd. apunta:
Salvo partidos escepcionales al campo del Lyon suelen ir sobre los 1000 espectadores...
No tengo ejercicios más recientes, pero los ingresos que obtuvo el OL por asistencia al campo sólo en los partidos de la Liga francesa en la temporada 2016/17 fueron de 29,4 millones de euros.
La Liga francesa son 22 partidos. Si hacemos una simple división:
29.400.000 / 22 = 1.336.000 euros de ingresos por partido.
Suponiendo los 1.000 espectadores de los que Vd. habla...
1.336.000 / 1.000 = 1.336 euros/entrada
Como Vd. se puede imaginar eso es absurdo. Nadie paga 1.336 euros por ir a un partido de fútbol femenino, salvo que tengas derecho a roce con Alex Morgan. Y aún así, lo dudo.
Revise sus datos. El Lyon juega normalmente en un campo de unas 1.600 localidades. Pero es que hay muchísimos partidos de la temporada que pasa a jugar al estadio del Parque Olímpico, donde juega la sección masculina. En esos partidos tiene buenísimas entradas, de manera que sube mucho la media de asistencia (y los precios en esas ocasiones).
Y en el ejercicio actual los ingresos de los 9 primeros meses del año se han disparado.
Otra referencia, del pasado día 27 de junio:
Jean-Michel Aulas, pioneer of women's football in France: "Initially, it was not a financial investment"
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He is among the first in France to have believed it. In 2004, Jean-Michel Aulas created the women's section of Olympique Lyonnais; fifteen years later, it is saying that he was right. Firstly because his team has achieved great results on the sporting level, with 13 titles of champions of France and six Leagues of champions. But also because the case is now very profitable, under the impetus of an already successful World Cup in France. But "JMA" assures it, on Europe 1: "Initially, it was not a financial investment, it was rather a social investment".
https://www.tellerreport.com/sports/201 ... pPfxS.html